Talk:The Wildhearts

Valor del Corazon

Ginger's new album, Valor del Corazon was reviewed by Kerrang! and given a KKKK rating on 11 Jan 2005

I think its unfair to call the Wildhearts metal... they're just a very good hard rock band. - Deathrocker 13:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi all - a minor point, but a point nonetheless - the industrial sounding version of the Elvis Costello song "Pump It Up" was actually (I believe) a free CD promoting Mushroom Records given away with Melody Maker and not Q as stated in the article - Alan. *edit* The name of the free compilation is "Independent and Still Taking Liberties"

Gingers "birth name"

I was under the impression hat he was born as "David Smith", and then changed to "David Walls" after his mother re-married... or have I got that the wrong way round? Nexus Icon 15:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The other way around - see here: http://www.thewildhearts.com/history/history1.shtml Doomsdayer520 (talk) 16:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

GINGER: 'I WAS ON A UFO'

World Entertainment News Network (www.wenn.com) 2007-06-04 18:23:08 -

WILDHEARTS frontman GINGER believes he was kidnapped and taken on board a UFO as a child. The British glam rocker - real name David Walls - says the experience as a five-year-old child forced him out of his neighbourhood. He says, "I'm sure that I was taken on board a UFO when I was five. Obviously I can't prove it so I don't know. I went into hypnotic regression to try and get to the bottom of what happened, but I couldn't target that particular instance; what it did was target an out-of-body experience I had as a kid. "All I remember about the UFO was that it was huge and it came across the houses and then absolutely nothing and just running to my friends house and when I woke up it was cold and dark. "My friend was in hysterics; he was crying and his mother was like 'You go away!' We moved from the area soon afterwards so I never found out what happened."

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Unsourced material - with great trepidation

I've removed the following information from this article as none of it is sourced:

• The only Wildhearts song not to feature Ginger was an early version of "The Song Formerly Known As", featuring Ritch on lead vocals, which was recorded in Ginger's absence. The song was later re-recorded by the full band and released as a b-side to the "Anthem" single.
• Random Jon Poole is also a member of the Cardiacs.
• The Wildhearts also spent some time rehearsing with Devin Townsend at Arcadeia Rehearsal Studios, Birmingham, England.
• The controversial video of "If Life Is Like A Lovebank, I Want An Overdraft" was of a highly suggestive sexual nature that contained nudity and concerned supposed sex phone line ads such as two twins cavorting next the tag line 'Keep It In The Family'. EastWest requested that it be re-edited as it was deemed too pornographic. The originals were ordered to be destroyed and two versions were released to the public - a censored 'adult' version and a 'children's' version (the latter removing the nudity and replacing the suggestive tag lines with things like 'pretty shoes' and 'I love lollypops').
• One of the thee guitar solos on My Baby Is A Headfuck is by Mick Ronson, most famous for his guitar work with David Bowie's Spiders from Mars and with Ian Hunter in Mott the Hoople. This is widely believed to be Mick's last recording before he died.
• The album Landmines and Pantomimes actually consists of several half-finished recordings from a session which ultimately led nowhere. Ginger claims that the album was released without the band's knowledge, though he was contacted prior to the record's release and invited to contribute sleeve notes, which he declined to do. Ginger has encouraged fans to copy the music (including on his Grievous Acoustic Behaviour live double album), rather than pay for an "unofficial, poor quality release". The fact remains that this is an official release, licensed from EastWest records and the quality of the recordings is actually very far from poor.
• Ginger once claimed that during a recording session he stole a tractor and drove it into an outside swimming pool.
• Danny's audition to the band involved taking LSD for the first time and going to a Cardiacs gig.
• The band vandalised the offices of Kerrang! magazine following a story which claimed Ginger had locked the rest of the band out of the studio. Eastwest ended up footing a £2000 bill.
• Danny was once stranded on tour after selling his passport in order to buy heroin. He was also one of the reasons why the first reformation tours lost momentum, as he managed to fall asleep onstage under the influence of the drug.
• On signing their new record deal to Mushroom Records the band made a ceremony of the event by doing it on the front doorstep of East West records. Reputedly Max Hole, then managing director of EastWest commented, when leaving the building, that he had no idea who the band were.
• The original sleeve for the single of "Greetings From Shitsville" had to be scrapped as it was deemed too offensive. The picture consisted of the band's producer of the time Simon Efamy defecating into a piece of pitta bread which was being held by Ginger and Danny. On a similar vein, the band's 2000 era t-shirts with the slogan "Louder Than God, Better Than Fucking" was detained by the police.
• At the band's 2008 Download Festival appearance Ginger enticed the crowd to begin throwing projectiles such as bottles at the stage, (possibly influenced by the heckling of earlier rap artist Lethal Bizzle, who at the start of his set was bombarded with projectiles from the crowd), eventually the organizers deemed the missile throwing as "too dangerous" and prevented the band from preforming their final song of the set. (Actually, this wasn't the case. The danger was caused by the cables running to the stage being lifted and swung by the crowd, hitting the pit security. That, in combination with running out of time, caused them to shut the stage down.)
• After Danny found out ginger was dating his former girlfriend he knocked him out with a punch in a tesco carpark.

I do this with a great deal of trepidation, as The Wildhearts is one of my favourite bands... and also with a little frustration.

Why frustration? Well, for two reasons really. Firstly, I know that Ginger and The Wildhearts were covered quite extensively in the press, so I'm sure a lot of this can be sourced. I know that any true Wildhearts fan will probably subscribe to Kerang! - kidding. But seriously, not citing this information is really just laziness.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe that most of this information is trivia - trivia being unimportant information. I'd say almost all of it is at least interesting, and much of it fairly important when it comes to The Wildhearts.

Come on folks! I know how dedicated Wildhearts fans are - let's get citations for this stuff and get it incorporated into the article :-) Tbsdy lives (talk) 07:28, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Added some references today - not too difficult to start but I encourage others to add more references and to make use of footnotes. That'll keep this page off the Wikipedia trouble list. Doomsdayer520 (talk) 16:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I do so hate to be a harbinger of doom, but these legions of Wildhearts fans do not seem to have materialised. The article remains largely unreferenced, full of dodgy information and 'trivia', with most editors seemingly eager to add fancruft rather than verifiable facts. Plus stealing a tractor and driving it into a swimming pool may be very rock and roll, but it hardly educates the reader, nor is encyclopedic, and is rather typical of the text within the article. This band is not one of my favourites, but the present state of the article adds nothing to their reputation, whatever that may be.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Did you look at a version of the article from the past two years? That's how long ago you and others deleted the tractor thing and other goofy trivia. And everything (okay, most things) in the article are now verifiable but the real problem is that it's found in vague external links and not properly cited. There is a better edit tag for that, which I will place in the article. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Neutrality Question from May 2008

I see that this article has been the subject of a neutrality question for 5 months without comment. I'm a diehard Wildhearts fan, and like the contributor who commented above on the verification problem, I view this article with a bit of trepidation myself. Thanks to everyone who has built the article, because it has enhanced my knowledge of the band's history considerably. But I see the reason behind the neutrality question. Much of the article has fanclub-like praise, like calling Fishing for Luckies "an instant classic." That's just one example. Maybe it's not really non-neutral, but for an encyclopedia it can probably be seen as non-historical or non-journalistic. Maybe if we can hunt down and neutralize some of those fanclub opinions, we can resolve the issue easily. I'll wait and see if anyone else has comments on this, then I'll get started on this task myself. Thanks, Wildhearts fans! Doomsdayer520 (talk) 18:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

{{helpme]] ---- This article has had a neutrality question for six months, with nobody apparently discussing it except me. Today I made major revisions to this article and removed a significant amount of fan-style material that probably inspired the original neutrality question. Since I'm the only one discussing the article's neutrality, I would conclude that I fixed it today. Wiki Editors, please advise on how we can declare the issue "resolved" and remove the POV tag. Thanks! Doomsdayer520 (talk) 21:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

After receiving word from the Wiki Editor, I will remove the Neutrality tag within the next day or so, unless anyone objects. Doomsdayer520 (talk) 21:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Devin Townsend

In the band projects side project there is this phrase "Devin Townsend is a successful recording artist, being in two main projects currently, The Devin Townsend Band, and Strapping Young Lad." - how is this related to the Wildhearts? I don't think he ever was part of the line-up, was he? Maybe there should be clarifications in what role DT has in the band career. Doesn't strike me as obvious from reading the article. --Mister Denial (talk) 15:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Correction, he appears in the members section but not in the formations section for the appropriate year. Has he ever been a fully acknowledged band member, was he an interim, session guy, live help-out... what did he actually contribute to the band?--Skehrkrow (talk) 15:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't figure this out either. Townsend appears in some biographies of the band that can be found online. I suspect that he is/was a friend of the band who helped out once or twice and maybe sat in on a few gigs as a guest. Other than that, it appears that his "membership" in the Wildhearts has been inflated over history into something more than it should be. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

He filled in one summer on a tour between working with Steve Vai and starting is own solo work, so he was a touring musician. I'm not sure if he wrote the Urge B.Side 'Kill Me To Death', but he certainly appeared in the recording. citations will need to be googled, but there's plenty about.Yellowxander (talk) 15:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of If Life Is Like a Lovebank I Want an Overdraft

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Proposed deletion of Just in Lust

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Proposed deletion of Landmines and Pantomimes

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I was able to un-PROD this one after finding a few basic references that prove the album exists, but the article could still use some expansion. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:01, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

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"Cover versions" section

The Wildhearts Wikipedia article started out many years ago as a big pile of fancruft that attracted the ire of serious editors, and for several years the gang has been weeding it out. Today I axed the "Cover versions" section for excessive fancruft and also because cover versions are discussed at the respective articles for the albums or singles involved. Note also that if some cover songs were attached to CD singles that used to have their own articles that were since deleted by the WP community, that means that the main track itself was deemed non-notable. Besides, the practice of cover songs is not unique in the biz anyway. Cheers, --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

2012-2013: Reunion?

MarkOfTheRani and I recently had a minor disagreement about whether the December 2012 one-off show meant that the Wildhearts reformed, that the band should be listed as active again, and that the current members should be listed with "2012-present" is the timeline. It appears that the one-off December gig has now become a small tour, and whether this is just a reunion or a true reformation of the Wildhearts remains to be seen. Regardless, various editors have adjusted the timelines as if the band is currently "active" so we'll go with that until they go on hiatus again. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 22:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

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